Johann Wagener 9-28-13
ElOregonian
You are an idiot. You better dig out your Bill of Rights, Constitution, and case laws to find out exactly what the government can and cannot due. What they are required to do and what they are not able to do.
Ignorant Libtards usually talk B/S with no knowledge of what is actually written in our Preambles. It’s not ‘how you feel the law should be written’, but rather what it “actually” says…
Although I would embrace the government being whittled back to it’s constitutional mandate thereby saving the citizen taxpayer from being overburdened through taxation without representation, because clearly what is currently happening is not working.
So do your homework, until then, go bark at the moon, fool.
To which I replied;
Your point would be clearer if you would do a little more than throw out one liners about the "Bill of Rights" (which I assume you read but couldn't understand) and give some real (not imagined) examples about how you perceive the way forward should be. The Bill of Rights just like the 10 Commandments are admirable on their face but have little or nothing to do with the way the real world functions. An example (if I may) is "all men are created equal" UNLESS their skin was darker than those who wrote this document you refer to.
Believing that people actually apply these words in today's world is not much different than barking at the moon my friend.
Dear Tea Party Members:
Effective October 1, 2013 the federal government will officially close it's doors. You will no longer be required to pay any Federal Income Tax and will no longer have access to any of the services provided by the Federal Government, which include (but not limited to) the following;
* Government health care and any other benefits provided to your Representatives (including salaries) will be terminated since they are no longer directly employed by the Federal Government. Tea Party representatives will need to either get a real job like their duly elected local politicians and take a part time political position or submit expenses to their state (unless they don't want to pay those taxes either).
* Social Security and Medicare will not be provided to Tea Part states since they are Federal subsidies made possible by Federal taxes. Residents of these states will need to either use Emergency rooms or personally pay for insurance or medical services less any Federal subsidies.
* Interstate highways and bridges will no longer be maintained in Tea Party States since they too are Federal subsidies. It will be the responsibility of the state or local governments to maintain their infrastructure paid for by?
* All other Federal subsidies (farm, energy, etc.) will be terminated in Tea Party states.
I feel certain that this will be seen as a positive by those who advocate for the Tea Party because less interference by a small Federal government is their trademark.
After all, everyone is fully capable of picking themselves up by their own boot straps, dust themselves off, and go on living the "American Dream" without any help from the "big bad Federal government."
For those who can find a little time to actually think about what role the "Big Bad Federal Government" plays in their lives when managed by competent (not corrupted) people who actually work to serve the "people" not those that "buy" their services, you might be surprised to discover that Uncle Sam is not such a bad guy after all.
Supervisors at government agencies began meetings Thursday to decide which employees would continue to report to work, and which would be told to stay home under contingency plans ordered by the Office of Management and Budget.
"Fifty percent of our members may be locked out of work altogether during this shutdown,'' said J. David Cox Sr., president of the American Federation of Government Employees. "Half will be expected to continue to work without a paycheck.''
Union officials said preparations for a possible shutdown have created anxiety and uncertainty among federal workers and among those who have an expectation of government services.
"Federal agencies have had to devote time and resources to develop yet another crisis plan, distracting agencies from their critical missions," said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. "And, if the government shuts down, the public will be further harmed by the loss of vital services people need and depend upon."
Believing that people actually apply these words in today's world is not much different than barking at the moon my friend.
Dear Tea Party Members:
Effective October 1, 2013 the federal government will officially close it's doors. You will no longer be required to pay any Federal Income Tax and will no longer have access to any of the services provided by the Federal Government, which include (but not limited to) the following;
* Government health care and any other benefits provided to your Representatives (including salaries) will be terminated since they are no longer directly employed by the Federal Government. Tea Party representatives will need to either get a real job like their duly elected local politicians and take a part time political position or submit expenses to their state (unless they don't want to pay those taxes either).
* Social Security and Medicare will not be provided to Tea Part states since they are Federal subsidies made possible by Federal taxes. Residents of these states will need to either use Emergency rooms or personally pay for insurance or medical services less any Federal subsidies.
* Interstate highways and bridges will no longer be maintained in Tea Party States since they too are Federal subsidies. It will be the responsibility of the state or local governments to maintain their infrastructure paid for by?
* All other Federal subsidies (farm, energy, etc.) will be terminated in Tea Party states.
I feel certain that this will be seen as a positive by those who advocate for the Tea Party because less interference by a small Federal government is their trademark.
After all, everyone is fully capable of picking themselves up by their own boot straps, dust themselves off, and go on living the "American Dream" without any help from the "big bad Federal government."
For those who can find a little time to actually think about what role the "Big Bad Federal Government" plays in their lives when managed by competent (not corrupted) people who actually work to serve the "people" not those that "buy" their services, you might be surprised to discover that Uncle Sam is not such a bad guy after all.
Supervisors at government agencies began meetings Thursday to decide which employees would continue to report to work, and which would be told to stay home under contingency plans ordered by the Office of Management and Budget.
"Fifty percent of our members may be locked out of work altogether during this shutdown,'' said J. David Cox Sr., president of the American Federation of Government Employees. "Half will be expected to continue to work without a paycheck.''
Union officials said preparations for a possible shutdown have created anxiety and uncertainty among federal workers and among those who have an expectation of government services.
"Federal agencies have had to devote time and resources to develop yet another crisis plan, distracting agencies from their critical missions," said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. "And, if the government shuts down, the public will be further harmed by the loss of vital services people need and depend upon."
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